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A reported, there have been studies done regarding these concerns and so far they show them to be unfounded.

So, what action are you proposing that we take and on what grounds are you justifying it? Ban them and say "well, maybe, possibly, they are dangerous even though the evidence says otherwise, so, just because they haven't proven them dangerous, we should take action just in case?"

Good luck with that. Having a legitimate reason may carry more weight than speculation.

But on the other hand....

Make them illegal to use while driving (and enforce the law) and I'm sure that will go a long way to actually making Americans safer. We know for a fact that cell phones are killing people when used by drivers.

Estimates vary widly, but a California Highway Patrol study showed 31 deaths and 2,768 injured in accidents involving cell phone distracted drivers. A Harvard University study estimeated that 2600 people are killed annually by drivers who find cell phone calls more important that careful driving.

So yeah, maybe the Doctor may turn out to be right even though he offers no evidence to support his warning.

My warning is that states need to arrest any driver seen talking on a cell phone. No excuses. The evidence is there.

Wayne


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Careless and reckless driving are already illegal in all 50 states, so it's not a law we need Wayne, just the directive from governors and the district attorneys who would have to be willing to push it in the traffic courts that drivers observed driving erratically and yakking away should be stopped and ticketed, for careless driving if they are nice about it, and for reckless if they give the officer a bunch of lip about it.


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Don't use a cell phone that much.

Maybe 10 minutes a month if that.

Bought a meter last year from:

http://www.lessemf.com/gauss.html

Tons of EMF from all over from computer to microwave to bread machines and juicers...even from the car.

Tested my house and have stand off distances from many hi EMF sources.



 
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OK, so say I bought one of these meters? What do you do when you find you have been exposed? Do you just turn off everything in your house? Is there any cure for the exposure? So what good does knowing do?


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So what good does knowing do?


That depends on
1) if you have any curiosity
2) if you want to make your life safer

It's a matter of asking questions and finding answers.

For example, if 30 years ago, no one had wondered, is there a link between cancer and cigarette-smoking, then today people would still be happily smoking 2 packs a day, not knowing the consequences.

If people know the consequences than they can take reasonable precautions (or not).
It's an individual choice.
But at least people ought to have access to the best information available.

Similarly, individuals can choose, or not, to alter their life style in light of climate change. But they ought to be able to base their decision on the best science available, not on propaganda funded by Exxon-Mobil, disguised as fact.
 
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Actually, we are bathed with radiation from cell phone towers, television transmitters, XM and Sirius sattelites, cordless phones, wireless internet connections, electric transmission wires, the sun, cosmic rays...whether we use them or not...


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We pumped carbon monoxide into the air for years before science was satisfied that doing so was not healthy.


Sure you don't mean carbon dioxide? Science knew carbon monoxide was pretty darn unhealthy, back when it was used for domestic lighting and cooking it's why people could commit suicide sticking their head in an oven.

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For example, if 30 years ago, no one had wondered, is there a link between cancer and cigarette-smoking,


30 years ago was 1977.

The Surgeon General issued a report linking cigarettes with cance in 1964. He issued one cautioning about other health impacts, but not cancer, in 1929.

But hey folks, why should we let facts and accuracy get in the way of saying other people aren't accurate and keep facts a secret...
 
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OK, so say I bought one of these meters? What do you do when you find you have been exposed? Do you just turn off everything in your house? Is there any cure for the exposure? So what good does knowing do?


No one knows. They say Just be safe. For example I used to stand right in front of the MW and look at my food. I found the drop off for emf to be about 5 feet from it. So now I stand 5 - 6 feet away. Same with puter.Tv, etc. I measured the emf and backed up to lower the dose. 5 W walkie talkies give off tremendous emf. I keep them some distance and cut chatter to a min.
 
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Originally posted by Matt from CT:
...But hey folks, why should we let facts and accuracy get in the way of saying other people aren't accurate and keep facts a secret...


I dunno Matt. It appears to me that we are incapable of controlling and eliminating the things that we KNOW are deadly, while at the same time we work ourselves into a frenzy over things that present infintismally small risks.

One example being that all over the United States, school yards are paved with concrete, causing thousands of broken bones and other injuries at schools every year, but there is very little push to replace these with resilient surfaces. Contrariwise, we have spent billions on removing well encapsulated (and therefore all but harmless) asbestos from school buildings.

While it is true that there is some danger from asbestos, it is harmless unless it is present in a friable state, moreover, the majority of asbestosis cases affect smokers only. Encapsulated asbestos presents little or no danger to healthy non-smokers, but removing it has released tons of friable asbestos into the air.


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Thanks, Ellen. That was very interesting. I certainly don't have the answer to whether cell phones cause cancer, but it would seem prudent to either limit our time using them or buy a headset. What is the downside?
 
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We shouldn't wait on the government to tell us to limit our exposure. Sometimes you have to look at the information available and decide for yourself. For me, there is enough of a concern to limit mine severely and urge my friends and family to do likewise.

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/cancer/articlepage....=100211877>1=31025


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