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Originally posted by Matt from CT:
I'll trust free market stupidity any day over a government stupidity that extends to regulating what I can grow in my garden any day because they've decided they know better then me.

What is the governmment telling you that you can't "grow in your garden"?

I assume that you are referring to either pot or invasives.

Pot is illegal. Growing invasives is stupid and wrong. Yet people do it all the time.

Wayne

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Originally posted by adirondackgardener:

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Originally posted by homesteader5:
I don't know if there is global warming or not and if it is true what the cause of it is. Some are using it as a moneymaker a certain politician comes to mind.

So homesteader5, as you admit yourself, you don't know if global warming exists yet you seem to have conclusive proof that "a certain politician" is using it as a "moneymaker."

I suppose if that "certain politician" is eventually (and probably too late) proven correct, then perhaps your tune will change? I guess we won't really know until we find out if your children or grandchildren suffer from drought or famine or are swept away in the tides.

So lets wait and see and let me know how they make out. In the meantime, have our government do nothing because regulation (or what some see as simple and logical steps to protect our environment and reduce waste) doesn't appeal to you.

Eventually, your kids and grandkids will tell you we should have had a whole lot more government regulation because we Americans, as a whole, have proven ourselves too ignorant to be responsible on our own.

Wayne

No I don't know if global warming is truely a threat and I don't know that Al Gore is using the issue for monetary gain but it doesn't seem he is walking the walk, he lives in a mansion and flies in private jets, typical politician. Yes I'd rather wait than abuse our rights and Constitution with more government control and regulations. Silly me I believe in the Constitution. When it comes to government nothing is ever logical and simple. If the state of Maine wants to pass more regulation and the citizens support fine but to have the feds do it NO I don't support such actions.

If Mr. Gore lived in a cardboard box and rode everywhere on a unicyle, you still wouldn't listen to him, so what difference does his preference in domicile make?

Jerry Brown made a point of living an extremely frugal life. Did that raise him in your esteem?

Do you consider Rush Limbaugh to be credible? Do you weigh his housing or transportation choices as indicative of his credibility? Or Dick Cheney's? or Ron Paul's? Richard Branson's?

A lot of people are way too quick to throw around the quip that they "believe in the constiutution" as if that is supposed to be the end-all of any argument in their favor.

In the governments's attempt (or a future administration's real attempt) to regulate greenhouse gasses, exactly what specific constitutional right has been infringed on that specifically harms you? Keep in mind that the constitution grants broad powers to our government to legislate and regulate and that simply disagreeing with such laws and regulations does not demonstrate a breach of constitutional rights.

Wayne

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continuous economic expansion

is what has led us to the point where the earth and all its species may not survive.

This is one of the fundamental assumptions that some people never question - what is so good about "continuous economic expansion"?

Does it eliminate poverty? No. It makes the few richer and the most poorer.
Look at India and China - good examples of continuous economic growth.

People really ought to stop and question fundamental assumptions and consider alternative thinking - like there is a limit.
Economic growth can not and should not continue ad infinitum.

ellen

Why does "continued economic expansion" sound like Manifest Destiny to me?

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Originally posted by homesteader5:
... but it doesn't seem he is walking the walk, he lives in a mansion and flies in private jets, typical politician.

As ctdahle said, just how many politicians and talking heads can you attest 'walk the walk'? There's a certain sardonic glee I feel whenever some self-righteous, ethically pontificating politico or head gets caught w/their finger in the cookie jar, their hands on a prostitute or their checkbooks tied to some financial conflicts of interest. I could list those, but my head would start to spin.

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Originally posted by homesteader: Yes I'd rather wait than abuse our rights and Constitution with more government control and regulations.

Women and Black Americans can sure attest to "waiting" while that oxymoronic logic (abuse of rights/governmental regulations) was oppressively adhered to.

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Originally posted by homesteader: If the state of Maine wants to pass more regulation and the citizens support fine but to have the feds do it NO I don't support such actions.

States Rights. Isn't that what pi$$ed off Adams in 1776 and bogged down passage of The Constitution & Bill Of Rights in the first place? Wasn't that also the crux of cessation nearly a century later? Isn't that what prevented Black American citizens from voting and going to certain schools in the South? In many respects, we've never really stopped fighting the Civil War, have we? In many respects it's also amazing these United States have remained united as long as they have.

I do agree, however, that nothing in government is ever simple. Except, of course, for the soon-to-be-evicted resident in the White House.

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Originally posted by gardenz:
But I take drugs (eh, legal ones now)

Better living through chemicals, hey gardenz?