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Any cold zoners grow these two herbs?
I've been told the winter savory stays evergreen and makes a nice edge for an herb garden. Only creeping thyme stays green through the winter here...everything else dies back;
even my Hyssop officinalis.
Anyone grow and use Germander?
Does this make a border edge for an herb garden?


"Maybe one of the secrets of survival is to learn where to dance."
Stanley Kunitz
 
Posts: 892 | Location: New Hampshire Z4 | Registered: February 11, 2002Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Do you have an idea as to which variety of Germander you are thinking of growing?

Wall Germander (Teucrium Chamaedrys) is the most common and hardy.
It makes an excellent low (10-12") perennial border plant.
Late Spring to early Fall blooming.
Prefers frost-free zones/regions, but has been know to survive through the winter if adequate protection is provided.
Wood Sage (Teucrium canadense) is about the same size as Wall Germander, purple flowered and grows well throughout the East.
Cat Thyme Germander Teucrium Marum is a small shrub with very fragrant foliage and flowers, and T. orientale is a perennial herb that grows less than a foot tall, with feathery foliage and lavender or blue flowers.
All these varieties are evergreen to my knowledge.

Check out these 'links'(scratching head):
http://plants.usda.gov/java/county?state_name=New%20Ham...fips=33&symbol=TEUCR
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=TEUCR

I found the info. above in a number of places. I haven't grown it myself. Maybe someone here has, but just hasn't seen your post yet.
Trying to be helpful.Big Grin
Good Luck!
 
Posts: 270 | Location: z8, Oregon | Registered: February 11, 2002Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Thanks for those web sites...somehow, I wasn't able to find those!
Something tells me the person who told me they were evergreen lived in Z5-6.
Too bad my county doesn't show as having the Germander.
My Newcomb's lists the Wood-sage, T.canadense
part of the mint family. Interesting that I have marked on that page that I once found the Rough hedge-nettle...a mint family member.


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Posts: 892 | Location: New Hampshire Z4 | Registered: February 11, 2002Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Where are you located on the plant data map?
Hyssopleaf hedgenettle?:
http://plants.usda.gov/java/county?state_name=New%20Ham...fips=33&symbol=STHY3

I use 'google' for searching.
I just saved it to my 'favorites'.
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I live in zone 6. I have raised the germander that is used in Knot Gardens. It stayed green all year. The Vinter savory didn't do too well here. I thought this climate may be too humid for it. I have trouble with some herbs here close to the Rivers and streams we have. But at my mother's house on a ridge about 15 miles from the river the stuff lives forever. I think she still has a thyme plant that I started in 1986 from seed. I think those plants like less humidity. I have better luck with them in pots that get them up and off of the grond (we have heavy dews and heavy fog a lot of mornings)
 
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I've had fun researching the stachy's and the teucrium's Smiler
I'm supposed to be able to find the wood sage in the wild around here.
I am going to give the winter savory and the wall germander a go.
For some reason, I'm fixated on them...maybe because I've never grown them before. Fixation leads to Experimentation.
Thanks folks.


"Maybe one of the secrets of survival is to learn where to dance."
Stanley Kunitz
 
Posts: 892 | Location: New Hampshire Z4 | Registered: February 11, 2002Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I would think that the Germander would do well in New Hampshire. Have fun trying! Smiler
 
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Franeli,
I'm in zone 5 and have the creeping Germander (don't have the latin name...sorry) and Winter Savory. Just went outside to look at them so I could give you a report!

The Winter Savory is about half-green. Top half shows a lot of winter burn but bottom half is still green. Same thing with the creeping Germander. Here is zone 5 it grows like crazy and I am constantly cutting it back. It's a great plant though and I wouldn't be without it. I use the cut off chunks in the spring to add to some of my container gardens and it works well there. If you want, when spring rolls around I can send you some in the mail and you can give it a try. I don't use either of them for any purpose other than to make the garden look nice. Both plants are great for that and I love the fragrances of each of them. Hope this helps...let me know if you'd like me to send you some when things warm up!

Oh....A few years ago I also had a couple plants of the taller variety of Germander...it was great the first summer but after one winter here it looked pathetic and never really pulled out of it. It died after the second winter.
 
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Thanks for the information about the Wall Germander+Winter Savory.
I would love some of that creeping germander; thanks for the offer. I'll try to locate some, but if I don't, maybe I will have you ship some mid-april.
I think the creeping Germander would be easier to keep mulched under snow cover.
Temp this am is -20F with only about 12"snow cover.


"Maybe one of the secrets of survival is to learn where to dance."
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Brrrr!!! I'll quit whining about our temps! It doesn't usually get that cold here but it can and has from time to time. I really think the creeping Germander would weather your cold temps beautifully. It is an aggressive grower and I think the minute the spring temperatures arrived it would take right off.

If you aren't able to find any, make a post here in about a month or so and I'll send you some. I know you'll love it - it's one of my favorites.
 
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