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I want the correct kind of Bt to use on my Brussells sprouts. I went to GardensAlive.com and they seem to have just one for all types of bugs.

Here's the link: http://www.gardensalive.com/product.asp?pn=8797

Would this be good to stop those darn cabbage moths?



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Posts: 298 | Location: USDA zone 5 South Central Iowa. | Registered: February 11, 2002Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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There's Bt's for different insects, but only one or two strains/sub-strains for caterpillars...so any Bt "caterpillar killar" will work on cabbages.

Good luck with the pests!


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Posts: 272 | Location: Upstate NY Zone 5 border with 4 | Registered: March 25, 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I second that - any Bt product will work on Cabbage Moths on any brassica (broccoli, sprouts, cabbage, etc.).
 
Posts: 700 | Location: Culpeper, VA - Zone 6/7 | Registered: June 18, 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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There's different strains of Bacillus thuringiensis for different purposes. All are used to control the larvae or caterpillar of the pest moth.

- Bt var.kurstaki is the most commonly used for control of caterpillars or larvae of the Cabbage Moth.

- Bt var.tenebrionis or san diego controls Colorado potato beetle larvae

- Bt var.israelensis is for mosquito, black fly and gnat larvae

- Bt var.aizawai(a new one to me) controls some other various caterpillars/larvae like those from the wax moth and especially the diamondback moth

- Then there's the bacteria that's used in Milky Spore disease for control of grubs (Japanese beetle larvae): Bacillus popilliae and Bacillus lentimorbus.

The three most common you'll find available at retail venues are the israliensis (in the form of "dunks" for mosquito larvae), the kurstaki for the cabbage moth caterpillar and the bacillus' used in Milky Spore disease. I purchase those three strains from my local big box store. But the Bt tenebrionis/san diego (for Colorado potato beetle) I'd only been able to find in liquid form online. I think I last purchased it through Gardens Alive! as a matter of fact.


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Posts: 2508 | Location: Linda in N.J./Zones 7 & "Twilight" | Registered: February 11, 2002Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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As gardenz pointed out what you want is Bacillus thuringiensis - Kurstaki, BTK, which is the most commonly available type for leaf munching caterpillers.


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The most common BT is sold commercially as Dipel btw. Works like a charm!


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The most common BT product around here is Thuricide, I've not yet seen Dipel in any of the garden shops around here. My local "Best Buy" hardware has some they sell as "Best Buy" that I use since it is less expensive than the other.


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I'm pretty sure I've seen the Dipel® at Home Depot. It's made by Green Light. "Dipel" is just their registered trade name for Bt kurstaki.

I use Safer® Garden Dust which I get either at a nearby farm/nursery. I think Lowes may carry it as well.


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Posts: 2508 | Location: Linda in N.J./Zones 7 & "Twilight" | Registered: February 11, 2002Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I purchased some DiPel since the dang cabbage loopers are eating everything. I can't pick them off fast enough.

The DiPel package states 46% other ingredients. What are they? Is it truly an organic product?

Does anyone have recommendations for the best netting, companion crops, and/or other natural predators (other than birds) to help control them?
 
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"Other ingredients" are usually fillers and stabilizers. You can go to the company website of the manufacturer to find out what they are.


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